exasperation that's an attempt to belittle ryan but actually shows a little bit more -- i think too much strain on the part of biden. you know, as a consummate pro, if you've got the facts on your side, you don't lose your cool at all. hey, take this on. that's just plain wrong. this is the wrong way to look at it. it was just over the top in terms of who is this guy? who is this young turk? he doesn't know what he's talking about. and that was, i think, just one too many when, you know, ryan was focused, you know, he was making a very focused attack there, and, you know, debate it out. debate it out. >> all right. so let's blame it on our next guest. with us now from danville, kentucky, the ranking member of the house budget committee and the man who played the role of paul ryan during biden's mock debates, congressman chris van hollen. >> little-known fact, he was actually -- he actually got on this, what, px90 routine, curls, wore a baseball cap. >> looking pretty buff.